Monday, December 07, 2009 1:13 PM by: millrun
With today being Pearl Harbor day, it's just a history lesson for all of us. On one of my visits to the USS. ARIZONA, I was standing in silence next to a Japanese man who was wearing a cap imprinted 'REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR! I still don't know what he was thinking, or what I'm supposed to think. More serious tho' than watching the battle of the ancients last nite in Warner defeating Favre. Arizona just had better young guys last nite.....To BIG TIME, my worry about feed costs vs. milk price; farming thru the '72-'76 slump, my recollection of the worst of times was '73 when the grain costs doubled overnite, and your milkcheck went mostly to the feed man. As soon as you can get a handle on your inputs, the biggest pain goes away. So now that dairy in Fla., Calif., and parts in between that has survived, which buys a lot of their feed, is cash flowing. He is NOT out of the woods yet, but in a clearing nontheless. If you produce all of your forages and grains, and had a wet cool summer, ouch! Hurts like a last second field goal, right? [no game mentioned] Just high milk prices alone won't fix the problem...we'll just drive off our customer.
Sunday, December 06, 2009 8:49 PM by: Anonymous
You went with Oregon State, r u kidding?
Sunday, December 06, 2009 4:35 PM by: Anonymous
NEVER bet any amount over what your bull calves can cover; or just bet against ND.
Sunday, December 06, 2009 2:09 PM by: tillamook oregon
i was raised on a small family farm and we just sold alomost all the cows due to bet over civel war game. dont make betts on football games.
Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:35 PM by: Anonymous
Go Bama Go!
Saturday, December 05, 2009 3:46 PM by: Anonymous
Texas 35-21. Alabama 17-13, even though Florida will probably win... I just want Alabama to beat Florida.
Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:24 AM by: virtualmilkman
Big time, $13 milk please you sound more like chicken little. Quit listening to your brokers they need you to sell out of fear so they can get commissions. The blocks will stay up till the dollar appreciates. As it stands everone on CNBC says the dollar is going to zero. Lets ride this export wave into the breakers.--------Darigold has been the buyer of most of the 1.72 blocks and those fellas don't speculate. That means they have the sales already lined up. I will wave to the barge as it leaves port. --------Buckeye fans don't drink white russians they will just grab the 'shine off the back porch. I would like to pick the Huskers today but Colt is too much. Here's to dreams, Huskers 16-13.
Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:40 AM by: Anonymous
Right, the number has gone up, but the value hasn't because the dollar is lower valued now.
Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:28 AM by: Anonymous
Why ask for advice when you know it all already
Friday, December 04, 2009 11:04 PM by: Big Time
9.07- You are so wrong my friend. Going $4 to 3.73 is not considered up or does new math apply here to? The grain farmers have been saying this for months like the dairy farmers, me included, been saying all year long that the milk prices are going up, because it only feels right. Why are grains headed up o wise one? The only reason I see is a weak dollar.
Friday, December 04, 2009 9:07 PM by: anonymous
Grains are headed up up up
Friday, December 04, 2009 8:40 PM by: Anonymous
Millrun, lets clarify - blocks aren't high... even though it feels that way to us now... but they need to be much higher.
Friday, December 04, 2009 4:41 PM by: millrun
Read someone, somewhere, with a theory for the high blocks. California only uses blocks in their pricing equation; this market is being driven up as a consolation to the milc money being distributed in favor of small herds. Manipulation?...in America? How could that be? And remember, its just a RUMOR. I think blocks could be shredded, but barrels don't cut too well. So blocks CAN get higher then barrels,vs. barrels getting higher than blocks. Did I make sense? [It would be the first time.]
Friday, December 04, 2009 4:16 PM by: Big Time
Millrun- quack-quack for the ducks. What I am worried about is blocks crashing next week. We can easily see $13 milk soon. There might be a little more bleeding in the short term with most holiday orders filled up. Grains are suppose to drop soon, so I hope. You are worried about grain and I am worried about the milk market. Butter has dropped and barrels so blocks have to follow.
Friday, December 04, 2009 1:49 PM by: millrun
For some interesting reading;..go to NASS and read the weekly FRI. report. Now I know the charts given are based on sales, but the amount of product that wasn't sold in the past month basically totals up to a 10% reduction in milk. Of course this doesn't account for fluid sales,and Thanksgiving is in there, but still. 4 dollar corn is taking it's toll. Calif. is so whipped right now that their college football can't win the PAC10. It's all Oregon this year. If you're going to the Rosebowl game, you midwesterners may have to take all your provisions along to make White Russians!
Friday, December 04, 2009 10:08 AM by: Dean Foods
You got cought. It's not Deans Foods
Friday, December 04, 2009 8:41 AM by: Deans Foods
Amen.
Friday, December 04, 2009 8:07 AM by: A
everyone on this site needs to produce the milk for big coop or little or big milk co. stop ya damn whinning and go on. If there is no action ya can take,and the oversupply of cheese is killin the prices, just give em what they want, they just laugh and count there money. The big goal is to make money off the backs of consumers,coops and cow milkers. You guys are successfull at providing those huge proffits. Its a shame the money cant go to the producers but then the stockholders and CEO and assistant couldnt bask in success.Keep the white stuff rollin and keep it cheap.
Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:55 PM by: Anonymous
It must be the superior midwest advantage, Big time.
Thursday, December 03, 2009 6:47 PM by: millrun
Yup, millrun IS a cheap commodity; but it ain't worth a crap!
Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:42 PM by: Big Time
Millrun- I was quoted $403 a ton for SBM yesterday. I would be happy with your grain prices. I hear millrun is a cheap commodity!
Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:51 AM by: millrun
Something else to ruminate on this morning. About the break in grain costs we were going to see this year; yesterday's corn..3.63; a year ago 3.10! soymeal yesterday..337/ton..a year ago..252/ton. Now how are we going to pencil the return on milk.. lower inputs were the bright spot promised to us. I guess heifers will keep dropping in price, and we will continue to lose dairymen. Oh, and feed snow.. SUPPOSED to be high in nitrogen,a building block of protein!! p.s. What's the weather like in Aukland today?
Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:49 AM by: JR Burdick
Hey guys I got 14.05 base price this month! WHOO HOO! AMPI is reporting they made 6 million in profits this year. Before you get all upset about them making a profit realize they are the best and the brightest we are told and require compensation commenserate with there education. The question I have is why did they ONLY make 6 million in a year when the spread between production and wholesale was so large not to mention the spread out to retail. Final question with the on going saga of climategate. If they lied about warming trends did they lie about greenhouse emmisions causing global warming? If they do not cause warming then doesn't ethanols claim to reduce greenhouse emissions seem a point mute? Finally what is the point of a cow tax if methane doesn't cause anything? By the way we got 3 inches of SNOW this morning. JR
Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:48 AM by: red nec dairy guy
I really enjoy all the things you dairy people are saying! I am however so discusted with the rumors of the lies and deceit, on the processor side of this industy, I hardly feel my comments mean anything.If half of the greedy deeds I hear of are going on,well, I might as well be on a ship without a rutor. We cant stop digging in but sure is gettin harder even with this better milk price that still doesn't cover expenses!!
Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:03 PM by: Is this a trend?
Quote from Dailydairyreport.com
Spot butter fell 2¢, leading to a third straight day of declines in butter futures. NDM futures were
higher, Class III futures were lower. Blocks were bid a nickel higher but no sellers were willing to
trade.
Wednesday, December 02, 2009 7:59 PM by: Anonymous
It is informative, but you have to pay for it. And I'm not about to buy it when I am struggling to pay other bills.
Wednesday, December 02, 2009 7:37 PM by: Anonymous
Milkmarketwatch.com has info. saying the gov't is buying cheese, but blocks, not barrels, giving rise to the spread. Try that site, it's informative.
Wednesday, December 02, 2009 7:19 PM by: Anonymous
Sorry millrun for asking pesky questions, I'm just worried about the future, if we can't handle any slippage in the market, it needs to keep rising.
Wednesday, December 02, 2009 7:19 PM by: Anonymous
*remove the if* sorry
Wednesday, December 02, 2009 2:28 PM by: millrun
A GUESS; somebody who had the available cheese, a co-op, processor,etc., either ain't got ,or doesn't want to sell it. Barrels may be more available. Remember, the cheap powder is GONE! The butter? Today was profit taking day for somebody. One day does not a trend make.
Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:56 PM by: Anonymous
Anyone have any idea what is going on in the dairy market recently, the spread between barrels and blocks is now over 20 cents. Blocks up 5 cents today! Why the jump? Good news though if it stays! But butter fell 2 cents. Any explanations. The market seems out of whack kind of?
Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:10 PM by: Anonymous
Thanks for your comments, Dale. They are right on!
Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:43 PM by: millrun
Dale Covert, when I can calmly type Fonterra, Dairy America, and NMPF, I'll join in the discussion. Until then, I'll agree with you, including the part that the bloke is a quack.
Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:04 AM by: Dale W Covert
I realize chances are this guy is merely a trouble maker not a real Kiwi but this rant should make for some good discussion over the next few days...
Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:49 AM by: Dale W Covert
Alright I'll bite, Fonterra already has a hand in controling our industry because of the arangements they have with DFA. Without subsidies mpc won't be made here on large scale until milk price can be driven down to $7-8 range. Why do we need supply mgt? We don't produce enough to fill domestic demand as it is. Its not OUR industry that has the overproduction problem. We don't export 92 or 94% of our production. We export YOUR overproduction. Mpc is being used in our food supply without FDA approval, without quota/tariff requirements, and is offsetting demand for our milk therefore disrupting our pricing structure. Why don't we like your mpc? because it takes money out of our milk checks and destroys our farms while you set on other side of world happily producing all you can and expect us to indirectly subsidize you or kill off our herds to balance the problem you create. This on a global scale is the same thing that happened thru the 70's and 80's here with california.Rapid expansion in production with total disregard for availability of a market. It will happen again shortly here as price comes up and we will milk every 1 1/2 teated nanny goat we can find to put milk into the tank. thereby proving "the best antidote for high prices is, high prices" and the roller coaster will continue....
Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:46 PM by: Anonymous
Actually, the MPC's make it taste worse. And we will never have supply management because many won't agree on how to run it, or if we even need one. But why doesn't NZ create supply management? I hear your milk supply isn't turning out nearly as big as they predicted right now. Thanks for the boost!
Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:00 PM by: New Zealand dairy farmer
Hi to my American friends. Why do you hate our MPC so much? It has helped your processors become more profitable and even makes the cheese taste better! How come you guys can't figure out how to make mpc as good as us? You guys invented about everything but your dairy industry can't even figure out how to create a supply management program. You would be best off it Fonterra ran your industry. By the way, I enjoy reading your guy's discussion but mostly enjoy what Big Time has to say.
Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:52 PM by: Anonymous
Damage is when something is broken
Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:06 PM by: Anonymous
What is the 'damage', and how much a discount?
Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:32 PM by: Anonymous
Plenty of damaged corn around at a discount
Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:51 PM by: Anonymous
Would be nice if the editors of the article could tell farmers where to but corn and soy at those prices. Sure isn't around here.
Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:36 PM by: Anonymous
Would be nice if the editors of the article could tell farmers where to but corn and soy at those prices. Sure isn't around here.
Tuesday, December 01, 2009 1:34 PM by: Anonymous
18 cent spread now!
Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:49 PM by: Anonymous
No, you are right millrun. And corn is trading higher, so feed is going to get more expensive. Where's this big feed cost break everyone is saying we are gonna get?
Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:37 PM by: millrun
Yeah, it's always our pockets, especially the make allowance. BUT, the slap across our face is under the $15.00 headline on this site...corn is down to $3.64 a bu. that's $130/ton. Can anybody out there, anywhere, buy it for that? Is anybody out there SELLING it for that? My trust in statisticians and stastistics of the gov't variety gets weakened every day. They must be counting moldy corn at par. If I'm wrong, let me know; everyone else gives me an attitude adjustment.
Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:25 PM by: Anonymous
http://www.dairyline.com/news-main.htm
Blocks are to fall...
Tuesday, December 01, 2009 2:07 AM by: Anonymous
Yeh, OUT of our pockets
Monday, November 30, 2009 8:18 PM by: Anonymous
But thats my point, blocks will come tumbling down. Money will be dispersed in 2009, they still get tax on it whether its a bad year - because the extra money makes a terrifying year a TINY, TINY bit less terrifying, so less loss - or 2010 it would probably mean more income - but it all comes out the same in the end.
Monday, November 30, 2009 2:57 PM by: millrun
I'm intrigued by the corn silage costs; the more info the better. RE;the block vs. barrel spread...normal is 4 cents. But just today block went up 1 cent and barrel went down 2 cents. That gives us cash barrels within a penny of NASS barrels. To me thats comforting. The blocks have cash 12 cents above NASS. Just a guess... and ONLY a guess, despite the stockpile of cheese out there, the 30 day old cheese thats traded isn't very available. Could mean shortage, could mean manipulation,or could mean nothing,...take your pick. With our dollar in the dumper, we are the source of cheap dairy. SOOOO, hang on to your britches, and be careful whose 'shorts' you're holding! Nobody said this was going to be fun or pretty.
Monday, November 30, 2009 2:43 PM by: Anonymous
money isn't going to be released till after the first of the year. that way if,If,IF we make any money in '10 they can tax us on it. just a theory.
Monday, November 30, 2009 2:18 PM by: Anonymous
The gap between block and barrel cheese is now 17 cents! That is extremely large - this could get scary - either the block will fall to the barrel, or the block will pull the barrel up. I am worried we might go down instead of up.
Monday, November 30, 2009 9:42 AM by: Anonymous
Out west, corn has been sold as high as $1,000/acre STANDING! That's double the costs of Iowa's corn. Obviously part of the reason the west's production is down; the midwest's isn't.
Monday, November 30, 2009 9:39 AM by: Anonymous
hey when is tom nutsack!!!!!!!!! going to release the money
Monday, November 30, 2009 9:38 AM by: Anonymous
the best way to gauge production in any area is to just ask your tank drivers. you cant beleive any of these gov. numbers
Monday, November 30, 2009 8:00 AM by: Anonymous
I find it hard to beleive that the midwest is actually up in production. I farm here in the midwest and most processors are running below last years capacities. I have 2 processors within 100 miles of my farm who are currently imporing tankers of milk from as far away as New Mexico, Texas and Idaho. Go figure, maybe that is why cheese production is up and butter and powder production is down? I mean think about the situation at hand - cheese bottoms at 1.08 per #, butter at 1.00 and smp at .95. Where are they trading now on the world market? Cheese 1.85 - 2.13 per #, butter 1.70 per # and smp 1.55. Where are the biggest gains being made? Looks to me like cheese. I think we were all taken for a ride. The processors last year were screaming bloody murder about having to adjust their balance sheets to reflect the cheaper price of products they had in cold storage. Amazingly nearly all had record profits or near record profits for the year and still to this day are screaming about cold storage amounts. I ask you this, are they going to adjust their balance sheets to reflect the new higher prices of the product they have in cold storage this year? If they do profits will be enormous to say the least. Look at the return on investment they are geting at our expense. They purchased the milk from us for low prices based off the low cheese and butter prices screaming that they didn't need it and in less than a year watched the world prices nearly double on the product they have sitting in cold storage that they supposingly (didn't need). A good return on there investment if you ask me. Planned ???? I think so,at our expense. Will they share the profits ??? Don't think so, they will just scream that they lost money on the front end of this downturn and need to make up for lost ground now. We all know that prices didn't drop in the stores for a long time and when they did they didn't drop as much as they should have. They don't need to make up for lost ground, they just want to be greedy. I also wonder why world prices have climbed sooo much. We have sooo much product sitting in cold storage and yet levels aren't dropping. The world prices are indicating that enough product can not be found, therefore bidding the prices higher and yet we still sit with a huge surplus in cold storage(if the gov't numbers are correct). It seems to me that the processors are not real willing to let product go. A new way to keep a lid on prices???? Maybe.
Monday, November 30, 2009 5:59 AM by: JR Burdick
Corn silage costs 20 per ton to raise and put in silo we fgure our haylage at 175 per ton dry hay equivalent. Buying corn silage right now from a guy who quite his cow calf herd for 35 per ton hay would be over 200 wth frieght. NC Iowa We figure 600 per acre with land charge for 30 ton corn silage. averaged just over 180 bu. on our corn crop. JR
Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:29 PM by: Anonymous
I have heavy clay soil and get by just fine. If it were so unprofitable and hard to milk cows in the northeast, then why are NY and PA 4th and 5th highest milk production states? Even with this downturn WI isn't even close to CA's production. It will take years and years and years of this downturn economy to bring CA's production down to WI. One year isn't a trend, maybe the start of one, but we won't know just yet. It took a bunch of years for CA to become the number one state, and it will take just as many for them to fall - that would be a trend. But seriously, anyone from the midwest, how much will pay for milking cows? I don't want to hinder the dairy industry any longer- so either I should just get out, or move to the midwest?
Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:46 PM by: millrun
OUCH! So if someone gave you the land for 'free', you still couldn't afford to plant corn?
Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:02 PM by: Anonymous
1:30: I agree with you. With our heave clay soils here in VT, we are lucky to get 15 tons of corn per acre, usualy it is closer to 10 tons. It costs almost as much to grow 10 tons as it does to grow 30 tons per acre.
Sunday, November 29, 2009 1:30 PM by: Anonymous
Oh my gosh, I can't compete with the midwest, I can't compete with the west, I can't compete with Fonterra, I just can't compete with anyone anymore... *begin nervous breakdown* Do any of you from the midwest need any cows, mine are for sale? - I just can't compete anymore...
Sunday, November 29, 2009 12:00 AM by: millrun
Big Time, I'm told that's what the "good" farmers get, so why not ask for the moon, you might get it! Personally, 70% going in is usually 70% coming out.[bunker] The last two years, our actual costs are right at $1,000/acre on an average haul, or$35/ton coming out. You need close to 30 ton/acre to make that work. Cheap, who said cheap? Your manure credits need to be billed, just because you have to get rid of it doesn't make it free. Oh, hey VIRTUALMILKMAN, I know why corn is so high after seeing the Huskers play....their CHEERLEADERS ATE IT ALL!!!haha
Saturday, November 28, 2009 11:03 PM by: Big Time
10.23- I think you need a hug. We are all on the same team. I know I am pretty humbled right now after this year. Millrun- Thanks for wishing me a good thanksgiving! One question, Our corn doesn't get 65% moisture here. I did not know that was possible. Is is dead?
Saturday, November 28, 2009 10:23 PM by: Anonymous
I bet if some of you midwest dairymen told a CA dairymen that their midwest state is running plus 5% milk production, while CA is running -5% or even worse, that CA wouldn't be too happy with you. Instead of pounding your chest and acting all high and mighty, why don't you cut production like the rest of the states so we actually see good milk prices? Your only depressing these prices longer. October milk production -1.1%, we could easily be -2% by now, and would be if all states would have cut production. I just get this feeling from some of you that you feel that your special because your not struggling as much as others. When does the fighting and superiority complex stop in this industry?
Saturday, November 28, 2009 9:14 PM by: millrun
Okay farmers, what does it cost you a ton to produce a ton of homegrown hay...grass or legume silage [60% moisture], and corn silage,[65% moisture]? Lets use #'s in the barn, or bunker, pit etc. Then state what you could buy it for? delivered.
Saturday, November 28, 2009 7:58 PM by: Anonymous
Speaking of cheese stocks, go to the following link to see how, once again, reports on cheese inventory was off.
http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/usda/current/ColdStor/ColdStor-11-20-2009.pdf
The latest "Cold Storage" numbers came out Friday. A note said: "Due to updated facility information, the January 2009 – September 2009 cheese data has been revised.
Please note the revision tables on pages 13 and 14. Updated data for 2008 are not available."
Well, as you can see from the above graph, the revisions are rather large. More importantly, the higher numbers have been used in "Commercial Disappearance" data, skewing that to disappearances are off - way off.
Once again, the erroneous numbers are provided by some of the same people who set farm milk price.
Saturday, November 28, 2009 7:47 PM by: Anonymous
Also, wouldn't some agree right now, the only drag on our milk price currently is the huge stock pile of cheese? Would any agree to that, because I def. think that's playing a role. So, not trying to point fingers or hurt anyone, but most of the cheese is produced in the midwest. So there needs to be some kind of 'incentive' to reduce production there to balance cheese supply and demand. I think dry milk and fluid are balanced now, and we've burned through a ton of stockpiles of dry milk recently.
Saturday, November 28, 2009 7:44 PM by: Anonymous
Sorry, you are obviously right - it cost money to grow your own feed, just not as much to buy it. Less hauling, and you aren't buying your own feed to make the person who grew profit - so no mark up. Note though the Northeast isn't down much in production, and we do grow much of our own feed - so were close by to grain. And hauling corn from Iowa to Minn. will cost just as much as hauling it from Ohio to PA.
Saturday, November 28, 2009 5:12 PM by: millrun
Good thoughts, anon's, weather is always a + or- to deal with. When your water is taken from you on your desert farm, you're doomed worse than a cold rainy summer in the midwest. Trucking grain to the east coast gets costly in a hurry also. Fluid milk sales should be the highest priced milk by far,and not always tied to class 111 flooring. How else to do it has never been solved. Juggers have run rampant over the system, 'paper pooling' stole market share with a stroke of a pen, and de-pooling month to month continues today. From a distance it appears cross-ventilating barns are taking the hots and colds out of the midwest climate,with dairies paying for cow comfort to get closer to the corn and beans. CWT made a difference in the west and southwest, but the 5.25 bid ceiling will lead to it's demise, and the culling will continue. The carnage isn't over, I'm sorry to say.
Saturday, November 28, 2009 5:01 PM by: virtualmilkman
No cost to grow your own feed??? It still has to be planted, grown, chopped and trucked and stored nearly same cost coast to coast. The higher yields out west are generally ofset by much higher land prices. Facts, cows are increasing WI, IL, MN decreasing in AR, NM, CA, WA . Millrun is right CWT isn't the cause it was the vehicle of herd/ cow exits. Now it is the banks turn to force people to choose to exit the business, all that red in the yearly financials will make your banker think he is at a Husker game. Go Big Red.
Saturday, November 28, 2009 4:41 PM by: Anonymous
It did have 50 tons of manure per acre.
Saturday, November 28, 2009 4:39 PM by: Anonymous
I bought corn seed for 20 acres, $1300.00 but did not have money for fertilizer and herbicide. The net result weeds and 0.6 bu per acre. It still costs to grow your own feed.
Saturday, November 28, 2009 2:44 PM by: Anonymous
Also, if you grown your own feed, then all of this talk is nothing to you - that is probably the biggest advantage any dairy could have.
Saturday, November 28, 2009 2:43 PM by: Anonymous
But the east has a huge advantage in having a huge market for fluid milk - which would be the most profitable milk to sell, and usually the farmer gets paid more for it. Also, the northeast isn't very far from the midwest for grain, I am from PA, a lot of corn is grown in PA as well as the eastern cornbelt like Ohio. In the west, they have a huge advantage in making forages - longer growing season, tons and tons of hay. So I don't see it entirely. I think each area has it own sets of diadvantages and advantages. CWT culled out over 30 maybe even closer to 50,000 cows out of CA - that had to have some impact.
Saturday, November 28, 2009 2:18 PM by: millrun
Anon,12:52, Virtual is partly right. The midwests' advantage over both coasts is freight. A ton of grain corn will have $50/ton cost on the west coast just to cover the rail freight. Most midwest milk becomes cheese, which gets sent east for a couple cents freight. IF and WHEN Asia needs powder, then the west gets their freight on the corn back by being closer to the port. Till then the coasts are in the 'back seat'. CWT did not cause the production reduction out west....the impossible cost/price squeeze did it, and is still continuing.
Saturday, November 28, 2009 12:52 PM by: Anonymous
Why do you say we cannot compete with the midwest? Where is your facts for that? For the most part, the midwest is up in production this year due to weather - thats not competition. Also, if you are going to use production as a basis for competition, then your should notice that the northeast production is running roughly equal to previous years. The only place showing a true decline in production is the west, and thats mainly due to CWT.
Saturday, November 28, 2009 12:25 PM by: virtualmilkman
Heck Big Time 2/3 the country cannot even compete with the midwest. how will we compete with the world when we are killing ourselves domestically?
Saturday, November 28, 2009 4:44 AM by: Anonymous
The shop boss at the local John Deere Dealership told me that the dump cylendar that fits my loader was #300.00 and now is over $900.00.
Friday, November 27, 2009 8:06 PM by: Anonymous
Thanks for the pick-me-up, Big Time. I can only hope you are right. But even with a long-term weak dollar, that means long-term higher inputs. You can only contract so much now. 2008 all over again? High milk prices, high expenses?
Friday, November 27, 2009 2:52 PM by: millrun
Happy holidays to all, even Big Time! 'Me thinks' he's mostly correct in his 'thinkin'. My problem is how are most of us going to make it to the 'good times'. The Califorians are getting squeezed by no water, and excessive air regulations... Florida pollutes ground water...the E.P.A. is after any and every CAFO. out there, whether it's New York, Idaho, Indiana, or parts in between. A drylot in the desert eventually puts nitrates in a stream or well somewhere. So maybe we won't be allowed to feed the world their dairy. There are some states which are so farmer friendly, that the gov't will have a 'fine feast' at our expense.
Friday, November 27, 2009 11:29 AM by: Big Time
Europe without the quota can not compete with us. Who cares about the Holstein plan. We will soon be feeding the world. Better times are ahead of us my friends. The dollar is suppose to gain some value in the short run. We will probably see a opportunity to contract feeds. Gold got too valuable to fast and people are now scared but in a half year we should have even a weaker dollar. So says some experts! The world will need us to feed them dairy, forget about Canada!
Thursday, November 26, 2009 9:38 PM by: Anonymous
Some of the people on the board are dairy farmers - so this plan is made by dairy farmers. Unlike other plans. Go to Holstein's website - they have a list of people you can contact on their Stabilization Plan Page and you can talk to them. The Holstein Association is very much business oriented - they had a new CEO come in a few years back and ever since then they have been making good money - they can about the health of the entire dairy industry as it can affect their business as well - although so far registrations are actually up for the year.
Thursday, November 26, 2009 9:22 PM by: Anonymous
Who's idea was it that HFAA should get in to legistlative affairs. Who are the executive committee these days? Is Bob Rumler still there?
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:35 PM by: Anonymous
I'm not sure, one would think it would be like transferring the cows or land to the next generation. 9:36 - I am a registered breeder, and I am NOT saying Canada's system is the way to go - its just something to look into - theres some great things about and some not so great - I like Holstein's plan better. But its not perfect either.
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:31 PM by: millrun
Yes, O Canada, I'm not trying to make you an expert, nor did you imply that. I'm trying to find out how the transfer from their first to second and third generations takes place. Does the quota help in that way? And yessiree... they live very well; they're always on 'holidays'.
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:59 PM by: Anonymous
Wait, millrun, I am O Canada - I wrote in 2 separate posts what Canada does, and what Holstein's plan is: to prevent confusion, but now it appears I have confused you. I am not from Canada - that was info I got from other Canadian Dairy Farmers - I don't know about the organic niche. I don't know the average age of dairymen up there - but remember US average is pretty high now - mid 50's. So it is probably, but I can't say for sure, lower - can't get too much higher than mid 50's. Also, many canadian dairy farmers - dairy farm on the side, while they crop farm or do whatever else. The ones I talked to looked like they lived well, very well.
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:36 PM by: Anonymous
If registered holstein dairymen think milk quotas are so good why dont they and the HFAA just move to the peoples republic of canada.
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:16 PM by: millrun
Thanks, O Canada,.....where I Was leading toward is...Does their quota system preserve the small farm, especially when it's sooo expensive to expand? What is the average age of their dairymen? Is organic a niche market up there also? I'm asking; cuz I Don't know.
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 7:48 PM by: O Canada
Millrun - I didn't say that there isn't large dairies - I just said the average dairy is 80 cows - versus US average of 160. So there's more small dairies in Canada than US.
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 7:09 PM by: chuckie
Thanx, Millrun. I think I'll try working on that one!
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:53 PM by: millrun
O Canada, my home and native land.... no it isn't, but anyway, their plan is so inclusive nobody young from outside a dairyman's family starts up. But to say there are no big dairies in Canada is totally wrong! Saskatchewan, Alberta, and B.C. have sprouted some 1,000+ cow dairies. Some years back a few dairies sold their quota and went maverick...I don't know the results of that venture. Canada's smaller production...just 10% of the U.S.'s, tends itself to better control, and accurate counting.[wouldn't that be nice here]. In Canada's more socialistic society, being told what to do is more accepted. Canada has lots of land to grow into, but it's frozen 2/3's of the year [GO GLOBAL WARMING]! So many of their negative possibilities have been avoided recently,that there is a real chance the market value of quota could "correct". USA's Holstein proposal has NO OWNERSHIP, therefore no value. The only sure result would be cheap heifers.[my opinion]. When your milk becomes $18.00's again, and the bank won't lend you money as freely, you'll be better off than them....and you will be giving the gov't 40% of your income, just like they do!
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:42 PM by: O Canada
In Canada, they have a quota system which costs roughly $24,000 per cow. Canadian dairy farmers have said that it takes roughly 7-10 years to pay this off, and the quota can be sold when the dairy decides to let it go. The average Canadian herd is 80 cows. 80 X 24,000 = 1.92 million dollars of quota expense. Yes, wow, that's a lot. However, if only takes 7-10 years to pay it off, then I think its great - your return on investment is probably faster than purchasing land. I also think that the fact that Canada only averages 80 cows says something: A) they don't want to buy more quota and B) they are making GOOD money with ONLY 80 cows, even with the quota expense. Canadian Dairy farmers call dairy farming a stable,reliable income - can we say that now or ever? - NO! So its definitely something to look into. I kind of like Holstein's plan more because it doesn't prevent/slow newcomers to come into the dairy industry - because there is NO purchase of an expensive quota. Canada also blocks a lot of imports, so keep that in mind.
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 2:36 PM by: Anonymous
HAha you are exactly right. I will write in here the Holstein plan separately to reduce confusion. Here's a link: http://www.holsteinusa.com/association/dpsp.html
Holsteins plan is NOT a quota. The only cost involved is IF you produce over your base (which is like your average production over the past few years). If you produce over your base, then you are charged $6-9 per hundred weight for that OVERPRODUCTION ONLY - NOT all of your milk. Its called a market access fee. In my next post, I will discuss Canada separately. Haha.
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:48 PM by: millrun
"Deer" Chuck, congrats on removing another ruminant from the food chain! It probably ate your corn all summer. Can you redeem some of those 'points' on your ag loan? WOW, did some people get confused over Holstein's supply management plan,Canada's quota, Registered vs. grade, etc. How could anything as simple as 'make allowance marketing' create such an uproar??? Every day the confusion gets deeper...maybe time to get back on the MAYFLOWER and head east to the 'motherland'!
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:40 AM by: red nec dairy guy
Who pray tale might want to stir up dissention among producers? Who might want to buy cheap s milk and make a good size proffit? Who wants the government to work more for them and less for producers? Elmer says: dis is a pwetty twicky wabbit we are deawing wid!!!!
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:21 AM by: Anonymous
Hi I am Anon 11:21 - there is NO quota in Holstein's plan. None. Read the plan and you will see it. The quota I was referring to is Canada's system - the Holstein Association's plan IS NOT the same as Canada's - its better if you ask me. Holstein's plan also by the way affects everyone - registered, grade, Jersey, etc. EVERYONE. So stop trying to spread the lies that it only affects/benefits registered Holstein breeders - because that is not true.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:57 PM by: Anonymous
NO NO NO! all cow milkers can cash out their quota, not just registered Holstein dairymen. 80 cows = $1,920,000 in quota that can be sold.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:40 PM by: Anonymous
11:37, your an idiot. The Holstein plan only allows for Registered Holstein breeders, not common cow milkers, to cash out there quota.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:37 PM by: Anonymous
I like the sound of this Holstein quota plan. If i am milking 100 that allows me to sell the cows and quota for about $400,000 and rent out my land and live like a king for the rest of my life.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:21 PM by: Anonymous
Anon 9:45- Holstein's plan does not have a quota. NO QUOTA! So NO purchases of $24,000/cow. The only cost involved is IF you produce over your base. Also, Canadian dairy farmers can sell that quota, so they can cash in big when they decide not to milk cows anymore - it is the same idea behind buying land - it is an asset that you can sell and/or buy. A Canadian dairy farmer told me with their $30+ milk, it takes 7-10 years to pay off the $24,000/cow quota - thats it! That's impressive - average dairy in Canada is 80 cows = 80 X 24,000 = $1,920,000 paid in less than 10 years! WOW! Because of $30 milk.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:59 PM by: Mike Reed
Hi all, I think the time has come for some sort of production control program wither it be a qouta simalar to Canada or a home brewed one when you think of the impact that sexed semen will have and if the price for milk rebounds along with some cheap feed here go again To tell you the truth I wont mind milking less and getting realy effentcint at produceing that milk cheap rather then figureing out how to produce a lot of milk and getting little for it
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:52 PM by: chuckie
Deer-9, chuckie-1, 8 point buck taken Sunday aft. I'm back! By the way, I coulda had 3 of my neighbors JerseyX heifers this morning.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:34 PM by: Big Time
9.35- Please move to Canada. We don't need your milk and your love for change.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM by: red nec dairy guy
I may never fully understand the current dairy situation in the U.S. or canada my friends but we have a tremendous problem here and "market forces" have not taken into account the increase cost of production. Our production has not responded to our market price paid for milk and beef. When farmers lost their clout they lost the respect of getting a decent income. Too many bestards running the show here.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:53 PM by: Anonymous
We Americans need to follow the lead of Canada. National Health Care for EVERYONE and FAIR MILK PRICES for EVERY dairy farmer. Also, there genetics are better, Canadian Holstein bulls are the ONLY ones worth using.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:45 PM by: Anonymous
I talked to a canadian dairyman and he said in order to milk one more cow he had to buy a base that cost $24,000. That cant be right. Here in the US if i want to milk one more cow I just buy a cow for $1,200. Also, this Canadian guy said he cant borrow using this base as collateral. Who would ever want to milk cows up there? that;s just nuts, or maybe i dont understand the situation.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:32 PM by: red nec dairy guy
At least holstien has a plan,and a well thought out plan ,not just a seat of the pants plan.If we dont come together over what we have been going through economically these past months we never will. I can see the 30,0000 and 40,000 cow operations gaining strength . They will simply lose money on the production side and make it up big time on the retail side.Sound anything like the pork or poultry industry? I think it is already happening! Remember this you cant expand if your losing money and if you dig a hole with a big track hoe it takes a longggggggg long time to fill it up with a spoon! Supply controls can be very valuable 32.00 milk in Canada put proof in the pudding.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:19 PM by: Anonymous
8:36- you are right, Holsteins eat too much, and are too aggressive, resulting in more milk production, damn. Good luck crossbreeding - it is said to work great the first generation, and get worse each generation after that, especially if you go back and forth between different breeds. I'll agree Holsteins are not as fertile as they used to be - and thats why universities started studying ways to improve reproduction both through estrous synchronization and other tools, as well as through genetics. For the first time in decades, the fertility of Holsteins increased just recently - because of the introduction of genetic parameters for Daughter Pregnancy Rate and other health traits. Its the first time we have had milk production per cow increase and fertility increase. This is only the beginning for the future of Holsteins.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:14 PM by: Anonymous
That may be so, but losing $1,000 per cow isn't any better, that's for sure.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:04 PM by: Anonymous
i just read the sept 2 Holstein assn management plan. Charging dairymen $6 to $9 per cwt to add cows reminds me of the aristocracy preventing the peasants from having any opportunity to advance their lot in life from hard work and innovation.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:53 PM by: Anonymous
Wasnt there a government supply Mgt plan in place in the 1960s? I think the courts ruled it unconstitutional because of barriers to entry.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:36 PM by: Anonymous
We have had registered Holsteins for almost 40 years. Everything is now being bred to registered Jersey bulls and we are grading up in the Jersey Cattle club. We have found that Holsteins eat too much of this expensive feed and are much less fertile than Jerseys. No wonder HFAA is trying to stop people from adding cows.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 7:44 PM by: Anonymous
Anon 5:39- that is completely 100% false. Your statement is a lie. Read their plan - it says nothing about what type of cows you milk, or how many - it is about milk POUNDS!
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:47 PM by: Anonymous
5:39 raises an interesting angle. I milk 100 Reg Holsteins averaging 66 lbs per day. HFA would allow me to milk 103 cows next year or their milk equivalent. I could disperse my Reg. Holstein herd and milk 125 Registered Jerseys and stay under their allowable growth limit. Sounds like Holstein breeders didnt think this one through very well.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:39 PM by: Anonymous
The new Holstein supply management plan prevents anyone from expanding unless they expand with registered Holsteins instead of grades or Jerseys or anything.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:38 PM by: virtualmilkman
Love it!! New math. Most bankers seem to like new math so they can keep their underperforming, or noncomplient accounts in milk so they don't have to take a bath on them. Or maybe that only works in Idaho. In addition old math has the unemployment # nearer to 20% than 10%. Free gov't cheese anyone?
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 2:35 PM by: millrun
Anon 1.53; The headlines say 1 out of 4 are under water, but if you read further down the article you find out that # is using NEW MATH! The old math is 33.8%.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 2:19 PM by: Anonymous
The old Holstein plan, or the NEW Sept. plan?
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 1:53 PM by: Anonymous
1 out of 4 are upside down on mortgages, I heard.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 1:34 PM by: Anonymous
The only way to keep dairy farmers from losing their farms is the HolsteinUSA supply management plan.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:55 PM by: millrun
"The U.S. should play a more role in exports" instead of snuggling up to Fonterra and doing their bidding. So suddenly demand drives powder and butter to $20cwt. and our local consumer gets priced out of our product. Down goes consumption, and if we don't get rid of make allowances, so will prices. Todays news says 1 out of 3 homeowners are upside-down on their mortgages....better than 1 out of 1 dairymen....but that won't sell high-priced milk.