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RODSCHMITT
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 Posted - 07/10/2009 : 9:06:47 PM
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| I was just wondering if you guys knew that some companies varieties even though they have not advertised them as being Liberty Link (Ignite) resistant, are in fact!! I have living proof on a 40 acre field. I wanted to try the new Liberty Link soybeans and my Syngenta (Garst) DSM said that we did not have any NK (Syngenta) soybeans that were Liberty resistant. I already had my suspicions that they were because I had not emptied my interplant units last year-2008 and had some beans in between the outside rows in the field across from my house. This was Liberty Link corn and so I hand sprayed the outside two rows to clean them up. And guess what? The Liberty that I sprayed on there did not kill the soybeans. So I was pretty sure they were resistant. This year when I planted the Merschman Wilson Liberty Link soybeans, I forgot to empty the RR NK soybeans and just filled up with the Merschman's. I realized while planting what I had done so after finishing the field I went back over the first two passes so as to have some Liberty Link soybeans there in case the NK RR soybeans did not survive the spraying of Ignite. Amazing!!! I lost zero-zilch-nada soybeans using the Ignite herbicide! I called My DSM and told him and he wants to see it--he can not believe it!! I have living proof. Wish I had a picture to post. They look beautiful even though they were planted May 30th. 15 inch rows and almost closed. |
Edited by - RODSCHMITT on 07/10/2009 11:13:00 PM
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jeff
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Posted - 07/12/2009 : 12:50:09 AM
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I don't know much about Liberty Link soybeans but I read something interesting in the Delta Farm Press the other day. They interviewed a weed and grass specialist. During the article he commented on Liberty Link. "A lot of companies are working on trait packages and a lot of companies that have been competitors will be combing technologies and becoming best friends to try and stay in business. All of this takes time.
Some of it may not happen and some of it that does happen may have problems. How long can you afford to wait?
I have a lot growers telling me on LibertyLink soybeans, “I think it is good technology, but I want to wait until it is stacked with Roundup Ready.” A LibertyLink plus Roundup Ready stack will be a fantastic product. I am excited about the possibility, but when will it be here? Agreements, approvals and variety development all take time. In addition sometimes things jump the tracks."
I thought Liberty Link beans were to compete with Roundup Ready beans. The way he talks, they may combine the two. |
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Iowa55
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Posted - 07/13/2009 : 1:08:44 PM
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| I would like to see them seperate. Would also like to have them now (next year) Together would be ok but the RR yield drag kind of defeats the advantage. |
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RODSCHMITT
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Posted - 07/13/2009 : 6:06:44 PM
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| Yes they definitely need to be separate and not stacked. I will have to check with Merschman's to find out if their's is stacked or not. If I remember right they were only 24.75 per 130,000 seed bags. This was almost 51 lbs. per bag. The seeds are large. Even tho the big Mon says no yield drag with RR2 why is it then that to get the yield the seed is treated with almost everything known to man? Let's compare apples to apples. Treat all the comparison seed exactly the same as the RR2 and let us see then the best bean win. |
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glowplug
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Posted - 07/13/2009 : 8:10:31 PM
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They tell me the reason for seed treatments is for planting early into colder, wet, no-till trashy soils. If you plant later under perfect soil conditions, you don't need seed treatments.
But, there is an advantage to planting early in better yields since the beans have more time to build up a larger plant.
I like having Optimize right on the seed rather than fuss with Celltech hassles. So I opt for Apron-Optimize and sometimes Cruiser-Optimize if I no-till early. I can cut way back on seeds per acre with treated seed. So it basically comes out to a wash. Higher treatment costs, lower seeds per A. but higher yields when you plant early.
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08
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Posted - 07/13/2009 : 11:08:15 PM
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Those of you who wish to have RR and LL in the same seed have done flipped your wigs! Out here in corn on corn on corn country this practice by the seed co's has been a nightmare! Out here in the desert we don't have the luxury of planting beans. With this double stacking herbicide traits it is creating big problems.
We're Forked!!! |
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48
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Posted - 07/14/2009 : 12:23:05 AM
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08: I agree 100%. BtRR corn is automatically LL whether
they market/label it as LL cuz Liberty is how they purify
the growing seed corn. You can not do a RR/LL rotation to
control volunteer RR corn. Lots of guys were cultivating
this year. Cultivating cleans it up ok cuz we strip till
and the row cleaners throw the seed out in the "furrow."
Then, we plant right on top of the strip, and the row cleaners
on the planter throw any more seed out in the middles.
Then, you can run small sweeps on the cultivator instead
of wide ones and barring off disks. But...cultivating
kind of defeats the whole purpose of having RR corn. lol.
Of course, if you guys would go to a SB-C rotation, you
could raise your own N and then kill the volunteer RR
corn in the RR SB with generic Select. lol.
Stocking cows heavy on the corn stalks helps a lot too.
But, if the stalks fill up with snow that doesn't work
too good. lol.
Let me know ahead of time when we can do kernel counts.
Me and my feedlot buddy and OBG are coming down for a
tour. lol.
BTW, I know it's hard for you to get away checking wells,
but we are having a get together at ses' on Aug. 9th. If
it rains enough to shut down the wells, try to make it.
See ya. |
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RODSCHMITT
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Posted - 07/14/2009 : 10:30:15 AM
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| I was not indicating that I wanted the Liberty Link gene stacked with the RR gene. I definitely do not. I know this will cause a nightmare. I was only stating that the NK RR beans already were Liberty (Ignite) tolerant. I still feel there is yield drag any time the RR gene is present in soybeans. |
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08
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Posted - 07/14/2009 : 10:40:18 AM
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48: The LL/RR corn rotation I have been on for the last several years kind of blew up this year. As you know this area had 30-50 bpa yeild loss last year because all of the tripple dipples puked thier ears off. I agree now that some of the straight RR corn I planted last year had LL in it. I have two areas where the Ignite did not touch the vol RR corn. Even in the other areas the Ignite did not do a very good job of cleaning up the sprouted ears and I sprayed the Ignite 2x.
I used your cattle advise and ran about 600 head on three of my worst pivots all winter. There was so much corn on the ground that this spring other than the trails and pies I could not even tell there had been cattle out there all winter. Wonder what those pivots would look like if I hadn't run the cattle?
I have tried the SB-C rotation and in my location it does not work consistently, I tried it for 5 years on two pivots. Compared to you I am at a much higher elevation and the nights here get too cool. Another typical problem here is humidity, normally we don't have any. The roration I used to have was edible beans and corn, that worked nice although when I went to strip till and no till that took the edibles out of the question. I really don't miss the edible's though because the market is controlled by a few people and there is no way to protect yourself price wise.
It looks like most of my corn will tassel next week so as far as the kenal counts that should give you an idea.
I would enjoy being able to come back up to see you guys on the 9th in the garden spot of NWKS had a good time the last time.
We're Forked!!! |
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48
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Posted - 07/14/2009 : 1:56:11 PM
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08: COWS!!! Not stockers. I have seen cows root thru 12"
of snow. But, you have to leave them out there til you
don't see corn in their poop anymore. I have a buddy who
has 900 paid for cows. He runs them on my feed lot buddy's
circles. He doesn't pull them until there is NO corn in
the poop. My buddy never has problems with volunteer corn.
If the stalks fill with snow, the cow guy hauls cane bales.
They're out there til the bitter end. Then my buddy strip
tills to break up the compaction. Most cow guys don't know
this, but a lot of BTO irrigators would pay them to put
cows on stalks to clean up the volunteer. lol. Hope to see
ya there. |
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08
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Posted - 07/14/2009 : 4:31:33 PM
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They were cows wrong term. I also left the cows on the stalks as long as I could it was around the 20th of March when I got them off and they were still shixting corn.
I also left out the most impt reason as to why I have had trouble with soys. The soil ph on my ground averages around 7.8.
We're Forked!!! |
Edited by - 08 on 07/14/2009 5:25:57 PM |
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