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Kansascowman

1796 Posts

Posted - 11/03/2009 :  08:23:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I expect we will all be too busy to agweb much over the next few days. Catching the news this morning I am hearing and reading alot about todays election which would normally be a big yawn. But, the question on alot of minds is what will happen to the GOP. I read alot about RINOs and finally figured out what that means, perhaps I am one. All I know is the GOP is gutting itself. Not everybody who is GOP agrees with Rush Limbaugh or believes Palin would make a great President. Hey, if our voices don't matter, fine, we will leave. That will accomplish what exactly? The election of Obama should prove beyond a shadow of a doubt hard core right wingers are not the majority in this country. The middle is the majority, like it or not that is the way it is. Far left hate far right, left of center hate far right. You can't get the moderate Dems to leave one hardcore bunch of loons for another hardcore bunch of loons, and vice versa. My uncle who is a Dem just registered as an Independent, I think I may do the same thing.

Sorry folks, the majority of people do believe healthcare needs reformed, even if Obama isn't going to do it right. No leadership from the Republicans on doing anything but stopping it..they may win the battle but lose the war. Also, sorry again, most people don't think saying someone making $200 million a year is making too much money is anti-American or Communist, it is the truth. So,the GOP can talk all they want about getting back to their base, if in fact their base is about 25%-35% of the population, then I guess that means getting alot of ass kickings in elections. Maybe the rest of us can join with the Dems that aren't crazy and make a third party that isn't nuts one way or another.

Freedom farmer

412 Posts

Posted - 11/03/2009 :  09:39:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You got this nailed, Kansas. Your numbers on the republican base are a bit high, however. It's likely about 20%.
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Beaner

2790 Posts

Posted - 11/03/2009 :  11:39:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

KCM, the poll cited below shows "conservatives" are the largest ideological group in the U.S. That being the case i think Republicans should field candicates that appeal largely to conservatives and not to liberals. I agree both parties' most most ideological elements are mostly off base. However, the Republicans can and should win by being more conservative rather than more liberal. I view myself to be more of a conservative than a republican, but recognize I am more likely to get a candidate that I agree with voting for a Republican.

In the 23rd district of NY the local Republican leaders selected a lady that was leftist for even a Democrat sher was run out of the race by a man running as a conservative. After Republican committees had spent $800 K in support of her she dropped out and backed the Democrat. That is what I call a RINO

Beaner


“Conservatives” Are Single-Largest Ideological Group
Percentage of “liberals” higher this decade than in early ’90s
by Lydia Saad
PRINCETON, NJ -- Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This represents a slight increase for conservatism in the U.S. since 2008, returning it to a level last seen in 2004. The 21% calling themselves liberal is in line with findings throughout this decade, but is up from the 1990s.

These annual figures are based on multiple national Gallup surveys conducted each year, in some cases encompassing more than 40,000 interviews. The 2009 data are based on 10 separate surveys conducted from January through May. Thus, the margins of error around each year's figures are quite small, and changes of only two percentage points are statistically significant.

To measure political ideology, Gallup asks Americans to say whether their political views are very conservative, conservative, moderate, liberal, or very liberal. As has been the case each year since 1992, very few Americans define themselves at the extremes of the political spectrum. Just 9% call themselves "very conservative" and 5% "very liberal." The vast majority of self-described liberals and conservatives identify with the unmodified form of their chosen label.


"I bow to conservative economic policies"

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David-Ia

1456 Posts

Posted - 11/03/2009 :  12:26:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Conservatives in the US only have two issues--Their guns and anti-abortion.Oh, another issue.They are against welfare--unless they are farmers.They also like to follow extremist leaders.And are against the environment.
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Freedom farmer

412 Posts

Posted - 11/03/2009 :  1:51:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Beaner[/i]
[br]
KCM, the poll cited below shows "conservatives" are the largest ideological group in the U.S. That being the case i think Republicans should field candicates that appeal largely to conservatives and not to liberals. I agree both parties' most most ideological elements are mostly off base. However, the Republicans can and should win by being more conservative rather than more liberal. I view myself to be more of a conservative than a republican, but recognize I am more likely to get a candidate that I agree with voting for a Republican.

In the 23rd district of NY the local Republican leaders selected a lady that was leftist for even a Democrat sher was run out of the race by a man running as a conservative. After Republican committees had spent $800 K in support of her she dropped out and backed the Democrat. That is what I call a RINO

Beaner


“Conservatives” Are Single-Largest Ideological Group
Percentage of “liberals” higher this decade than in early ’90s
by Lydia Saad
PRINCETON, NJ -- Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This represents a slight increase for conservatism in the U.S. since 2008, returning it to a level last seen in 2004. The 21% calling themselves liberal is in line with findings throughout this decade, but is up from the 1990s.

These annual figures are based on multiple national Gallup surveys conducted each year, in some cases encompassing more than 40,000 interviews. The 2009 data are based on 10 separate surveys conducted from January through May. Thus, the margins of error around each year's figures are quite small, and changes of only two percentage points are statistically significant.

To measure political ideology, Gallup asks Americans to say whether their political views are very conservative, conservative, moderate, liberal, or very liberal. As has been the case each year since 1992, very few Americans define themselves at the extremes of the political spectrum. Just 9% call themselves "very conservative" and 5% "very liberal." The vast majority of self-described liberals and conservatives identify with the unmodified form of their chosen label.


"I bow to conservative economic policies"



In that 23rd district, the RINO was 100% with NRA and ranked well with conservative guidelines, just not 100%. The new guy doesn't live in the district, didn't know the issues, and would have had no chance without all the outside money that poured in when Palin stuck her nose in. Influences outside of New York possibly have more to do with this race than the people who live there.
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irishman

80 Posts

Posted - 11/03/2009 :  2:11:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
KCM, great post. Beaner's response is good too.

The reason I think KCM is correct in what he says is the shifting U.S. demographics. You can take all the polls you want and pretty much find any result you're seeking. But even a 35% diehard base (many of whom are in low-electoral count Southern states) doesn't get you much, barring Obama doing something to so alienate the majority that he falls on his face. This is unlikely.

Also, Sarah Palin is unelectable. I don't think she can even win the 2012 nomination. And it won't be the left-wing media that does her in. It'll be herself. She simply doesn't have the discipline it takes to get elected or even nominated. She will implode early.




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Beaner

2790 Posts

Posted - 11/03/2009 :  3:27:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dede Scozzafava was for "card check", the biggest goal of organized labor. He husband is a union official. She is pro choice and favors gay marriage. She has been extremely liberal on tax increases. A conservative she is not.

David/IA, the top issues for conservatives are fiscal coservatism, a strong national defense, and personal responsibility. Only part of the conservative movement makes abortion a major issue. Conservatives are not against welfare, but feel that people should have to do something for society to receive it. Every study done shows the welfare reforms pushed by Republicans in 1996 has done wonders to get welfare people back to working and leading more productive and happier lives.

"I bow to conservative economic policies"

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Mr. Snerdly

239 Posts

Posted - 11/03/2009 :  4:01:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
[i]Originally posted by irishman[/i]
[br]KCM, great post. Beaner's response is good too.

The reason I think KCM is correct in what he says is the shifting U.S. demographics. You can take all the polls you want and pretty much find any result you're seeking. But even a 35% diehard base (many of whom are in low-electoral count Southern states) doesn't get you much, barring Obama doing something to so alienate the majority that he falls on his face. This is unlikely.

Also, Sarah Palin is unelectable. I don't think she can even win the 2012 nomination. And it won't be the left-wing media that does her in. It'll be herself. She simply doesn't have the discipline it takes to get elected or even nominated. She will implode early.








And just why in the hell do we have "changing demographics"? It is because of a bunch of sissy boy liberals such as Bush and ninety percent of the treason party. America was built by the white race. Why in the name of the God of Abraham do we have to turn it all over to a bunch of third world savages with a collective IQ in the middle eighties?

These savages will learn soon enough what the white man is capable of in regards to winning a war.

As God as my witness, I won't go hungry again.

The white race will prevail. I only wish I was a young man again so I could fight the good fight.

I can still remember when America was great. At that time, eighty nine percent of all Americans were white. It should still be the case today, and if I am not wrong when this all falls out it will be closer to ninety five percent. I would be most happy if it were one hundred percent.

God, family, and country. I am a proud white American.

"I only take half a pill"--Murvel "Mumbles" Fentress

"If it ain't off mor'n a half inch, it's close enough."--Mike Cacak

"I hate George Bush almost as much as I love Jesus."--Bo Snerdly

"I don't know nothin' 'bout birthin' babies"--Butterfly McQueen

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glowplug

2219 Posts

Posted - 11/04/2009 :  10:20:03 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The RINO Party leadership spent $900,000 campaigning against Hoffman before Dede cut and ran away.

Hoffman's vote tally was pretty respectable considering the RINOs had poisoned the well.

Glowplug
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Dave in MidMO

3024 Posts

Posted - 11/04/2009 :  11:51:44 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Snerdly,

I honestly worry sometimes about your racist position....I think you are "throwing out the baby with the wash water." The changing demographics are due to things MUCH more dynamic and encompassing than the vile that you spout. JMHO
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JAM

803 Posts

Posted - 11/04/2009 :  12:46:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What’s more, Snerdly contradicts himself in his basic beliefs. First, this country has NEVER been 90% white. One can only come up with such a number if they did not count the majority of the non-whites living here. Second, Jesus was not white. So to claim God as his first stance he contradicts himself right off the bat.
His comments on here are extremely offensive and as far as I am concerned he can take his hatred somewhere else, such as a skinhead party. Anybody that has to manipulate a body part just to show their own prejudice is mentally off balanced. Snerdly fits the mold.

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Freedom farmer

412 Posts

Posted - 11/04/2009 :  1:15:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Luckily Snerdly is old. Hopefully he will die soon.
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Beaner

2790 Posts

Posted - 11/04/2009 :  1:39:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree with Jam's comments. There is no place for racism on this board.

"I bow to conservative economic policies"

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glowplug

2219 Posts

Posted - 11/04/2009 :  2:19:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Beaner,

At the risk of losing my #1 Rightwing status, (thank you commieTROLL), I find Snerdly to be far less a danger to our nation's future than the complacent, gutless SURRENDERtroll who'd favor disarming in the face of the Muslim threat. When the time comes, Snerdly would stand shoulder to shoulder with us, while SURRENDERtroll would be cowering in his basement.

I have a daughter-in-law, who had a Hispanic maiden name, and have many friends who don't meet the WASP mold. Yes, Snerdly generalizes in his statements. I don't buy into stereotypes but there is a high percentage of some ethics who make welfare babies, do illegal drugs and voted for Obamunist because they desire enhanced social welfare handouts. I'd prefer Snerdly be more specific in your targets, rather than broadbrush.

The First Amendment was written with unpopular political speech in mind. If this makes me unpopular, I'll surrender my #1 Rightwinger crown........

Glowplug

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Dave in MidMO

3024 Posts

Posted - 11/04/2009 :  2:30:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The real issue is not about being correct or not...it is about the racist crap that he spews.

There are a greater numbers of specific ethnic groups that have the problems you mentioned and are in prison, however, there too are reasons for that difference....and it is not a racial idiom or characteristic that differentiates the group....it is our social structure, the family, the neighborhood, the mentor and the reality of living in a city…..it is so much more than what is espoused by that man….

I don’t have the answers but I sure as hell have the questions and want more resources put into figuring out what is the best avenue for finding a solution(s)! and there are many organizaitons and grass root efforts attempting to do just that.... JMHO

It is called Social Justice.....

Edited by - Dave in MidMO on 11/04/2009 2:34:29 PM
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JAM

803 Posts

Posted - 11/04/2009 :  2:33:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tell me glowplug, what exactly is the difference between Snerdly and those Muslims (which does not include all Muslims) who want to see us dead, other than their targets? It is quite plain that both want to see anyone other than those that are the same as them dead. They have no interest in the welfare of anyone other than themselves or those that think like them.
I don't want either on my side. Make a deal with the devil, even though in the short term it might benefit you, you still end up in Hell.
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